Moreover, between us and you a great chasm is established
to prevent anyone from crossing
who might wish to go from our side to yours
or from your side to ours.
Who is us? The living. who is them? The dead?
I mean, dead is dead alive is alive, no one never crossed the line except jesus right, so why all the rules and who established the line?
That brings me to this question, are you familiar to adelard reuchlin and roman piso work on the piso family back then at the time of jesus? I am curious of your tought on this. Im not into heretic mode althought what is claim by these man would be seen as such. But i am studying the veracity of their claim and it would be sweet to have an apologetic point of view.
Please, dont ban me of your work for mentionning this, i am a scholar in study and ask for guidance simply. I value greatly your writtings.
We at Three Sages greatly appreciate your comments!
No, I am not familiar with your sources. Do you have any links?
In the meantime, I have recommended two specific sources on Jesus's teachings. One is the timeless study by Dr. Albert Schweitzer on "The Quest of the Historical Jesus."
The other is the writings of German spiritual master Bô Yin Râ (Joseph Anton Schneiderfranken, 1876-1943). If you browse the list of articles on Three Sages, you will find several by and about him. Also see the website for Kober Press at
You know? that got my attention too...that chasm which is established between them. You asked who established it? I think it was the Christ, since He works with God, and he's perfect so he would know what to ask in order to help us all with, to learn. Lol. Anyway, I've just found a book called "A Course in Miracles" and funny enough, it is just like what we are talking about here. It even says in that book, there is a LOT more going on behind the scenes than we can know or understand, and therefore we need to focus on what we are suppose to be learning so we could get out of here...alive...haha. There is so much purpose behind what Christ was and is doing, that we have no idea. Try, for example, to focus your mind all day long on God. See how long that lasts. It's the strangest thing. Even when you love God with all your heart, mind and body, there is something in us that is so little and yet unlearned or not strengthened enough that we cannot focus on the most important thing in our whole lives, the conscious connection to God, in our own self. So, in that book, it shows us that we have a long way to go, and that all these things we have now, will not be useful after we have accomplished the things needed by those tools we are using today. One day we won't need these bodies either it says, and that right now, these too are just tools in our learning experience.
Hehehe 🤭 will surely try and find that book you got me curious. Its fun the exercise you proposed of 24hour contemplation. I for sure will be the first to lose attention im worst than a tdha. My mind jumps from a word to another, a thought to another, like bubbles blowing from within bubbles 🫧 🫧 🫧
Actually, Jean-Sebastien Savard, after reading the book very deeply for a while, I realized it is full of manipulation. One really has to do a heck of a lot of reading of many works before one can begin to put what one is presently reading in a true light. These beings are just trying to use what we have been taught from the Bible, to manipulate us. There seems to be quite a bit of truth in it, but when you learn to read from multiple questionings in your mind as you go along, and put yourself in the position of a predator, and how would they speak in order to attract us, and then cunningly deceive us so that they get what they want, and you are left wanting? That is basically how I have had to learn how to read. It is just another effort on their part to steal from us our Light.
One as rade many many book and spent many many hours discussing these matters with the love of is life, also named Marie. what a sweet coincidence =) I do not know yet if this work of Abelard is full of manipulation. If you can pinpoint exactly where that would be helpfull in my research. Also precise me who are these "beings who manipulates" as you say? And if possible what is the bit of truth you found in the text yet?
I am already working with lots of different scholar to see the value or invalue of the claims they bring. From christian believers like my pastor in correspondence to faithless academics like Richard Carrier.
That said, the argument you give I would class into apologist behaviorism. It can be said that the predator is the bible and the teaching in it are written by intention of preventing anyone inside to go outside and see the bigger picture. From what i have read in most jewish literature, its about what they say of the book and jesus history. Dont go thinking i'm jewish or devilish hehe, i'm born christian if it matters. I'm just studying all i can get my hands on. i'm not limited by one book because that will prevent impartiality and a full spectrum of the situation, thus the ending results will surely be biaised.
here is a couple of the book i have read on the subject yet, and i dont include the video of debate that i am so fond of, like wes huff VS billy carlson one perticularly entertaining is jubilee on youtube, but i prefer the more serious one hosted in university's and such...I eat those like candy's!
-total of apocriffa
-bible ethiopian, kjb, lots of different on the net to compare the verse
-all book of richard carrier
-gary wayne genesis6conspiracy ( dont mind title, he is christian)
-all james true ( think is mormon not sure really)
-virgil and homer such wonderfull story the best poetry
-atm audio book on catherine nexley heretics ( you would hate it really)
-the jewish wars of josefus flavius if he is who he is
-cant list them , but guess most philosopher works of greece back then
-wont list but lots of book from freemasons like A.Pike( spoiler! not evil)
-all from arthur conan doyle! was my Idol before i learned...masons...killer...
-analect of confucius, sun tzu art of war, faloon gong, Dao stuff and+
-the rothchild by frederic morton, Hitler by Yan kershaw
-Pliny the elder naturalis historia( not all its huge 720 page on archive)
-I read everyone on substack too ( the trick is audio book and 1x5 speed)
-I had a good start when kid,I was facinated by mythology and pantheons
-lots of other book in front of me like a chouraqui bible a friend got me
-lots of other book forsaken behind my tought and life
-if i'm not reading, i'm writting or studying words etymiology
-viva el audible! i can do both same time =)
ok i did this last one as joke to say something even more funnier! guess who invented the first audible prototype? Pliny the elder! he asked is slave to read him books all time supposedly. He could then read while bathing, working or doing whatever he likes. Well..dont know if i have bad humor taste. but that version of audible for me is oddible =P
So i hope I listed enough to give you the confidence that you can further your opinion with me and i will gladly and surely work with you and not against you to light the candles, and not dim the atmosphere by extinguishing them. All this to further our comprehension of life. If i am wrong somewhere, i'd like someone who is right to tell me, if i am right somewhere, I do love to know i help someone do another step in the direction of god. Whomever and Wherever he may be. I will walk toward him.
It may look a lot, but i have a job from home that gives me lots of freetime and been doing this kindof reasearch way before the covid society crumbling effect. I also despise TV and movies(time consumer). les mystères de la vie sont infiniment plus intéressant! I just need to learn latin and greek because i am so tired of asking for traduction to others who knows. Or do the long work of root diggin.
You can also write me on my substack so we do not bother the host here that I respect a lot. Thanks to you for taking aention in what i brought, and thank you Richard and the 3 sage's for the public space where i have written. blessing to all
I love that part:
Moreover, between us and you a great chasm is established
to prevent anyone from crossing
who might wish to go from our side to yours
or from your side to ours.
Who is us? The living. who is them? The dead?
I mean, dead is dead alive is alive, no one never crossed the line except jesus right, so why all the rules and who established the line?
That brings me to this question, are you familiar to adelard reuchlin and roman piso work on the piso family back then at the time of jesus? I am curious of your tought on this. Im not into heretic mode althought what is claim by these man would be seen as such. But i am studying the veracity of their claim and it would be sweet to have an apologetic point of view.
Please, dont ban me of your work for mentionning this, i am a scholar in study and ask for guidance simply. I value greatly your writtings.
We at Three Sages greatly appreciate your comments!
No, I am not familiar with your sources. Do you have any links?
In the meantime, I have recommended two specific sources on Jesus's teachings. One is the timeless study by Dr. Albert Schweitzer on "The Quest of the Historical Jesus."
The other is the writings of German spiritual master Bô Yin Râ (Joseph Anton Schneiderfranken, 1876-1943). If you browse the list of articles on Three Sages, you will find several by and about him. Also see the website for Kober Press at
http://www.kober.com/ including the free download of Book on the Living God at
http://www.kober.com/books/978-0-915034-22-2_txt.pdf
I am reading your second recommendation bo yin ra. Love it for the parts i rade yet. And for the links:
Here is a pdf i dl and rade about it. From there in the end of it lots of other link
https://www.academia.edu/4351986/Reuchlin_Abelard_The_true_autorship_of_the_new_testament
You know? that got my attention too...that chasm which is established between them. You asked who established it? I think it was the Christ, since He works with God, and he's perfect so he would know what to ask in order to help us all with, to learn. Lol. Anyway, I've just found a book called "A Course in Miracles" and funny enough, it is just like what we are talking about here. It even says in that book, there is a LOT more going on behind the scenes than we can know or understand, and therefore we need to focus on what we are suppose to be learning so we could get out of here...alive...haha. There is so much purpose behind what Christ was and is doing, that we have no idea. Try, for example, to focus your mind all day long on God. See how long that lasts. It's the strangest thing. Even when you love God with all your heart, mind and body, there is something in us that is so little and yet unlearned or not strengthened enough that we cannot focus on the most important thing in our whole lives, the conscious connection to God, in our own self. So, in that book, it shows us that we have a long way to go, and that all these things we have now, will not be useful after we have accomplished the things needed by those tools we are using today. One day we won't need these bodies either it says, and that right now, these too are just tools in our learning experience.
Hehehe 🤭 will surely try and find that book you got me curious. Its fun the exercise you proposed of 24hour contemplation. I for sure will be the first to lose attention im worst than a tdha. My mind jumps from a word to another, a thought to another, like bubbles blowing from within bubbles 🫧 🫧 🫧
https://youtu.be/fAbvEYNXzHI?si=84CsBiBegdfORLAM
Actually, Jean-Sebastien Savard, after reading the book very deeply for a while, I realized it is full of manipulation. One really has to do a heck of a lot of reading of many works before one can begin to put what one is presently reading in a true light. These beings are just trying to use what we have been taught from the Bible, to manipulate us. There seems to be quite a bit of truth in it, but when you learn to read from multiple questionings in your mind as you go along, and put yourself in the position of a predator, and how would they speak in order to attract us, and then cunningly deceive us so that they get what they want, and you are left wanting? That is basically how I have had to learn how to read. It is just another effort on their part to steal from us our Light.
Good evening Mary Maria
One as rade many many book and spent many many hours discussing these matters with the love of is life, also named Marie. what a sweet coincidence =) I do not know yet if this work of Abelard is full of manipulation. If you can pinpoint exactly where that would be helpfull in my research. Also precise me who are these "beings who manipulates" as you say? And if possible what is the bit of truth you found in the text yet?
I am already working with lots of different scholar to see the value or invalue of the claims they bring. From christian believers like my pastor in correspondence to faithless academics like Richard Carrier.
That said, the argument you give I would class into apologist behaviorism. It can be said that the predator is the bible and the teaching in it are written by intention of preventing anyone inside to go outside and see the bigger picture. From what i have read in most jewish literature, its about what they say of the book and jesus history. Dont go thinking i'm jewish or devilish hehe, i'm born christian if it matters. I'm just studying all i can get my hands on. i'm not limited by one book because that will prevent impartiality and a full spectrum of the situation, thus the ending results will surely be biaised.
here is a couple of the book i have read on the subject yet, and i dont include the video of debate that i am so fond of, like wes huff VS billy carlson one perticularly entertaining is jubilee on youtube, but i prefer the more serious one hosted in university's and such...I eat those like candy's!
-total of apocriffa
-bible ethiopian, kjb, lots of different on the net to compare the verse
-all book of richard carrier
-gary wayne genesis6conspiracy ( dont mind title, he is christian)
-all james true ( think is mormon not sure really)
-virgil and homer such wonderfull story the best poetry
-atm audio book on catherine nexley heretics ( you would hate it really)
-the jewish wars of josefus flavius if he is who he is
-cant list them , but guess most philosopher works of greece back then
-wont list but lots of book from freemasons like A.Pike( spoiler! not evil)
-all from arthur conan doyle! was my Idol before i learned...masons...killer...
-analect of confucius, sun tzu art of war, faloon gong, Dao stuff and+
-the rothchild by frederic morton, Hitler by Yan kershaw
-Pliny the elder naturalis historia( not all its huge 720 page on archive)
-I read everyone on substack too ( the trick is audio book and 1x5 speed)
-I had a good start when kid,I was facinated by mythology and pantheons
-lots of other book in front of me like a chouraqui bible a friend got me
-lots of other book forsaken behind my tought and life
-if i'm not reading, i'm writting or studying words etymiology
-viva el audible! i can do both same time =)
ok i did this last one as joke to say something even more funnier! guess who invented the first audible prototype? Pliny the elder! he asked is slave to read him books all time supposedly. He could then read while bathing, working or doing whatever he likes. Well..dont know if i have bad humor taste. but that version of audible for me is oddible =P
So i hope I listed enough to give you the confidence that you can further your opinion with me and i will gladly and surely work with you and not against you to light the candles, and not dim the atmosphere by extinguishing them. All this to further our comprehension of life. If i am wrong somewhere, i'd like someone who is right to tell me, if i am right somewhere, I do love to know i help someone do another step in the direction of god. Whomever and Wherever he may be. I will walk toward him.
It may look a lot, but i have a job from home that gives me lots of freetime and been doing this kindof reasearch way before the covid society crumbling effect. I also despise TV and movies(time consumer). les mystères de la vie sont infiniment plus intéressant! I just need to learn latin and greek because i am so tired of asking for traduction to others who knows. Or do the long work of root diggin.
You can also write me on my substack so we do not bother the host here that I respect a lot. Thanks to you for taking aention in what i brought, and thank you Richard and the 3 sage's for the public space where i have written. blessing to all
Nice